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Please ...call the White House

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202/456-1111 and ask that the President call upon the Dutch to help out in the Gulf with the Oil Spill, they have equipment that is able to skim & capture oil in the water. They have yet to be invited to come and help out!:(

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/dutch-oil-spill-response-team-standby-us-oil-disaster

Our Fish are poisioned & dying, our shrimp are poisioned, the oysters and scallops are poisioned and the waterfoul are dying that eat these things!!! The list goes on ad on and on......We will be next...............poisioned and dying..........

I think we should not be too proud to ask! If it is not too late already!

Just call the White House...make your voices be heard!
 
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chubbyalaskagriz said:
This is a huge deal, Cathy. Thanks!
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Yeah it sure is a huge deal. I do not have any idea how these days ahead will unfold as a result of this spill, but I fear it will be awful and for a very very long time. I just do not understand how we would not call upon any and all help available to clean this mess up! I am at a loss...:confused: It is my belief that we should use any means available to help clean it up, BP should pay any and all $$$ for the task of claning it up. Tonight I am hearing (on the Anderson Cooper 360 CNN show) that BP is pulling some real underhanded crap, even going as far as putting on a front for the President when he was down there visiting, making it look like they are doing more than they really are in the clean up. It is horrible, there have been wars started over less that this! BP is horrible, I will NEVER EVER purchase gas from one of their stations again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do not think people who do not live down close to the Gulf truly understand. I grew up down there since I was 16 yrs old. It is a beautiful area. My sons both live down there and make their livings from the Gulf, it sustains so-o-o-o many people their livelihoods. And the wildlife is just awesome! It truly is a special area, this oil spill is tragic beyond belief.
 
as with many other things going on - there is much, much more to this than is being told - and I think that if BP (which I never buy their gas) hasn't solved the problem yet - the government should step in and then FINE BP for everything
 
I never understood the answer to problems being fines.
It's like the Government fining Toyota. What's the purpose. It's not like that money goes to the people that had car problems or to the families that lost loved ones.

Fining BP? Why should the Government profit because of a disaster? I could understand the US Government getting off their butts and hiring those with the know how to get out there and deal with the situation. If the Dutch have the tech, then hire them to do it and to also send Nancy Halloway back while their at it. Get the mess fixed and cleaned up and then send BP the bill and make them pay.....Waiting a month to begin with makes me wonder. If I knock over a container of Vegetable oil, I'm pretty quick at picking it up and getting a cap on it. If I just let it keep spilling out and everyone stood there watching it run all over the place, I'd be getting yelled at for the mess I was making, and people would be running with paper towels.
 
I agree 100% with everything you just said here IC. There is some kind of craziness going on out in the Gulf, I believe this could have been stopped after the first day they learned of the leak not weeks and weeks later still trying to stop it!!!!!! I am so lost as to the WHY of it ALL...................:confused:

The Ironic Chef said:
I never understood the answer to problems being fines.
It's like the Government fining Toyota. What's the purpose. It's not like that money goes to the people that had car problems or to the families that lost loved ones.

Fining BP? Why should the Government profit because of a disaster? I could understand the US Government getting off their butts and hiring those with the know how to get out there and deal with the situation. If the Dutch have the tech, then hire them to do it and to also send Nancy Halloway back while their at it. Get the mess fixed and cleaned up and then send BP the bill and make them pay.....Waiting a month to begin with makes me wonder. If I knock over a container of Vegetable oil, I'm pretty quick at picking it up and getting a cap on it. If I just let it keep spilling out and everyone stood there watching it run all over the place, I'd be getting yelled at for the mess I was making, and people would be running with paper towels.
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if you think back to the debate of whether or not to allow off-shore drilling, one of the questions that came up was: and what happens when it goes wrong.

the "industry" of course assured everyone they would be ready ready and capable to handle any such event. those individuals should be located and put in jail, right along side the bureaucrats who had the responsibility to see that these companies were ready and able.

and think about your local friendly politician next time you vote. where was their opinion / insistence that safeguards exist - next time they go into their spiel about how hard they worked for you and how they're the right one because of all their experience, given they record of the current politician crop, perhaps we need less experience.

as for the Dutch offer, very kind. they have _eight_ people and _four_ pieces of equipment - the equipment is so huge, they put it on a airplane and fly it around. there are 1,200 vessels engaged in the cleanup. I don't think four Dutch skimmers could make a lot of difference.

lemme see, 60,000+ sq miles involved, that's 1,691,744,947,200 sq feet or 38,837,120 acres.
assume the skimmer booms have a 200 ft wide path and can be deployed at 5 knots.
one skimmer could cover roughly 130 acres per day, times 4 skimmers say 500 acres per day.

38,837,120 acres at 500 acres / day = 77,674 calendar days for four skimmers to cover the area once. and the oil has not stopped yet.

Fines: a company is not a person - you can't put a company in jail. there's nothing but fines for punishment. the unfortunate part of fines and compensatory (legal) damages is the law that says the amount cannot be such that the company is put out of business. we need to put some of these companies out of business.

and I see no problem with the government getting the fines - the government will be picking up the "incidentals" tab for decades to come. the fisherman can't fish - so he gets compensation for lost income. but the boat yard where he docks doesn't need to repair anything, and sells very little fuel, so they lay-off their help. well, unemployment and the wife's wage don't cover the bills so those folks go on public assistance / welfare - the trickle down effect, in negative motion.

whatever the fine turns out to be, it is not big enough.
 
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"I see no problem with the government getting the fines - the government will be picking up the "incidentals" tab for decades to come."

The Government will not be picking up the Tab for anything, the Tax payers will. How many trillions of dollars in dept are we now to China. Do you really think a Government fine will fix anything?

Wacovia Bank for years was laundering money for the drug cartels. Oh a fine will teach them. OK. Wacovia had over 8 billion dollars of drug monies go through their banks. The fine???? 160 million. I'm sorry but 160 million is chump change in the banking industry.

I would say that if a fine was to be set against BP, That money has already been spent by the politicians on some off the wall project like building tree houses for tree frogs in Burbank Alaska.

Clean it up and make BP pay for it. If they cry poverty, confiscate every Service/gas station they own in this country and kick them out of it. Every sale of property they owned should go towards the clean up efforts and not into the hands of one single politician or lawyer... Within a 20 mile radius of me there are 8 BP stations on prime rel estate.. #1 grade commercial property here would probably bring in several million. Do that every where in The US and it would sure bring in more than any fine would.
 
Oh, have to throw in all the stock holders too. If they can profit from a company doing well, then they should suffer when there is a problem. fine them, lol.
 
The Ironic Chef said:
Oh, have to throw in all the stock holders too. If they can profit from a company doing well, then they should suffer when there is a problem. fine them, lol.
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:DLOL, I love it IC!!! You really have a knack for speaking loud & clear and making a Terrific point! :D Thank you for the terrific laugh, during this otherwise totally unlaughable event unfolding in our beautiful Gulf of Mexico!
 
>>throw in the stock holders

not to put too fine a point on it, but the stock holders are already "in" - 100%

along with all the other creditors. when BP files bankruptcy the only people who will come out with any money are the million dollar executives (who are by default responsible for the mess - they take their millions walk away) and the lawyers - who get paid to sort out the mess.

The current CEO of BP gets 1 million+ in salary and 2 million+ in bonus. personally I don't think he's earned his keep.

his predecessor, who had the watch when this stuff started:
"BP said in its annual report Browne's total pay package for the year was 4.57 million pounds, down 28 per cent, compared to 6.36 million pounds he drew in 2005. His salary component had, however, risen 5.5 per cent, to 1.53 million pounds, from 1.45 million pounds.
Browne is to step down from the position in July. "

he resigned after lying under oath and misusing corporate assets assisting his partner to set up a business. another fine business ethics school graduate.

these are the people who are supposed to have "vision" - like asking the obvious question "What happens if..." - neither of them did - but I'd bet on any given day they can tell you how much heir stock options are worth.
 
So much loss and devastation. I cannot even watch news coverage on this disaster ...it makes me physically ill. So much loss and no end in sight.
 
jglass said:
So much loss and devastation. I cannot even watch news coverage on this disaster ...it makes me physically ill. So much loss and no end in sight.
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Yes and it is heart rending to watch, but we must not give up crying out for the "Powers that be" to be involved!!! This is unacceptable to allow such a tragic disaster to continue this long:mad::(:mad:

CALL THE WHITEHOUSE, EVERY DAY IF YOU MUST!!! Did you hear the President left & cancelled the rest of his trip to Louisiana because of OH GOD FORBID>>>Rain:rolleyes: How in the heck are we to believe he even gives a real "Rats Azz" if he allows a little rain to interfere with his trip, that really gets under my skin!!! He will be ONLY a One term President that is for sure!
 
there's always some crooked politician that will try most anything.

considering the huge messes our current crop of politicos have gotten us into I would urge everyone to go vote for somebody who is not in office - and it doesn't matter what party they are affiliated with.

these career politicians have become a defacto "ruling class" - they've been around for so long they all "owe" so many favors to so many other career politicians that voting is no longer a question of representing their constituents or what is right or what is good for the country - their votes are based on who they owe what favor.
 
This is not a political forum. The problems at the gulf are serious. There is nothing the White House can do to fix it. BP, Exxon or Shell are the ones with the knowledge on how to solve this. Certainly BP is consulting with all of those folks, plus the best minds they can find with knowledge in this area and are doing their best to resolve the problem. It's not in their interest to waste all of that oil, or all of the expense to clean it up.

This isn't a political problem but a scientific one. The leak is 5000 feet deep and at extreme pressures because of the weight of the water overhead. The sorry fact is that is where the remaining oil reserves in the US are located. Those of us that drive cars need the oil those companies produce for us for our daily commute to work or to go to the grocery store.

Matt
 
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