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Have you heard about the theory of peak oil?

I first read about this in a Washington Post op-ed about reducing greenhouse gas emissions that was published in 1998. The author said you didn't need to do anything because oil consumption would peak in 2005 and it would be downhill from there.

It's more or less a theory of when (versus if). Exxon-Mobil says decades, Chevron Texaco says 2011 +/- 4 years, T Boone Pickens said it happened on the 23rd of November 2005. I heard Mr Pickens talk about it on NPR last November when he announced it, and didn't think much about it at the time.

Yet, after thinking about this for the last 9 months or so, there is a major problem in that a collision of sorts may be about to happen. That collision is that as oil production could be peaking, while the demand is continuing to increase. So the problems will begin very soon after the peak. There doesn't seem to be any realistic replacement for oil since even with gas at $3.10 a gallon, it's still a generally cheap energy source, it's so flexible in use, easy to transport, and is used in so many areas including fertilizers and pesticides. It fuels the agriculture industry and created suburbia.

There are very few products in existence that can triple in price in a short period of time and have no decrease in demand. Economics teach us that as prices increase, demand decreases. But that's not happening with oil.

I'm not in anyway trying to sound like I know anything about this, but I think the time has come to begin conservation efforts in earnest, for manufacturers to make efficient products, and everyone to replace those ancient incandescent lamps with compact fluorescent lamps. Because if we don't prepare for this inevitability, then things might be very grim.

Below are two links that discuss this theory. The second one I read last March, and got me thinking about this problem.


As I said, I know nothing about oil. One thing that amazes me is how much there is in the world. There is so much that I have a hard time understanding how it was produced by some microscopic microbe. There had to be some incredible number of those microbes if oil came from them.

The Russians have a theory that oil is a naturally occurring product produced deep in the earth and that we'll never run out. That theory is call abiotic oil. But has anyone heard of old oil fields refilling themselves?

On a different note, I was talking to my dental hygienist about this (believe it or not you can talk with hands in your mouth :) and she said that her uncle in Texas has oil wells that the government won't let them pump, and that she has other relatives in Oklahoma that aren't allowed to pump their oil. She thought that the government was trying to save the oil for later.

Similarly, in the late 70's, early 80's, the Japanese bought huge amounts of coal from the US, and buried it for later use.

More links on Peak Oil can be here.
 
I'm no expert in this field - and I will be the first to tell you that - BUT - this oil thing is for the birds.

We have plenty of oil right here in our own country but we are forbidden from drilling for it.

Every state has their own "recipe" (for lack of the appropriate word) for the gasoline that is to be sold in their state. Don't ask me why they do that - it makes no sense to me. (sure I'm blonde!)

So the gas suppliers have to do this for one state, that for another, and something else for another.

And of course - BP wants to jump on the band wagon and make the profits that Exxon is making - so let's all of a sudden find fault with the Alaskan pipeline - adding insult to injury.

Now where I live - they are going to start making ETHANOL! Corn fuel. Whoopee!!! They tried this crap (forgive my French) back in the 80's and it wrecked my engine!!!! I actually had to get rid of my car. So what are they doing now - making ethanol AGAIN. All of a sudden the car manufacturers are able to immediately come up with car engines that are gasoline and/or ethanol friendly. That was pretty darn fast. Now what was it that they were holding back and not telling us????? What's next - a world corn shortage??? Cripe - we'll be paying $20.00 for a dozen ears of corn! Or is our governement going to regulate that too???

What was the name of that movie with Mel Gibson and Tina Turner?? Was it Thunderdome - pig poop for energy???

Let's see what happens after they have all their fun with this ethanol thing and how bad the cars suffer from gasoline and ethanol. Should be interesting for those states that don't have to sell ethanol and people travel from one state to the other.

And you hear about these guys that recycle McDonald's french fry grease for fuel.

I honestly feel that our government wants all oil prices beyond our control so that they can start to all of a sudden start to refine our own oil. And we can pay $8.50 a gallon (not including all the taxes on the gasoline) and make them richer.

And there is something quite fishy about these car manufacturers - they seem to know too much before the public does. SUV's sucked up more gas and they kept making them and Hummers, etc. Now this.

Just makes ya wonder!

But like I said - I'm no expert at all..............
 
The short take on those the documents I linked to on peak oil theory are:
  • There hasn't been a major oil discovery in 20 years. The oil we're burning now was found between 1930 and 1985.
  • Up until the last couple years, discoveries of small oil fields exceeded demand. But in the last few years, the world oil demand has surpassed new discoveries.
  • There is a belief that the OPEC nations increased their reserves during the late 1980's and early 1990's without any additional discoveries because the sales quotas were tied to reserves.
  • Demand for oil is increasing at 2% a year.

Facts I see that support this:
  • Car manufacturers are building cars the run on E85 (85% ethanol/15% gasoline).
  • No country seems to be able to supply the additional oil needed to stabilize the current market.
  • Most non-OPEC oil fields are in declining production.

Facts the make this look like another Enron manipulation:
  • The Alaskan Oil Issue from BP. Like they wouldn't have been watching for that.
  • Peak oil has been discussed for 100 years and has never happened.

Facts the worry me:
  • Exxon-Mobile quoting the US Geological Survey as experts in their ads against peak oil theory. Exxon Mobile is the expert.
  • Chevron-Texaco supports the belief.
  • A conservative Maryland Congressman has a presentation on this. I know who this guy is and he's not a ecological fellow.
  • The Iranian Advisers presentation to the Australian Senate was pretty stark. He mentions a major bird flu epidemic might be a good thing.
  • There is no realistic replacement for oil.
  • George Bush made a statement in April about nuclear power plants being a renewable source of energy. But he's talking about breeder reactors that have never been built before and are still theoretical. And he's an oil man.
  • George Bush mentioned switch grass in the state of the union message as a source for making ethanol.
  • We're currently using 25% of the US corn harvest to produce 1 million gallons of ethanol a day. The US is using 25 million barrels of oil a day. 20 gallons of gasoline and 7 gallons of diesel fuel comes from every barrel of oil. That's 25 million * 27 = 675,000,000 gallons of liquid transportation fuel used everyday in the US. If we used 100% of the corn crop to make ethanol, that would amount to 4 million gallons a day (a drop in the ocean). Don't forget about the compounding of demand. Next year we'll need 25.5 MBD, and then 26.1, 26.7, etc.

In case anyone is wondering how oil can be at $78.00 a barrel and gas retailing at $3.10 (when you get 27 gallons of usable fuel out of a barrel), it's because no-one buys oil at the market price. Those are paper barrels. Real oil is traded on long term contracts at fixed prices.

Mamma - I'm with you on the current situation, and that has nothing to do with this. All I'm really trying to say here is that energy has been really cheap for a long time and we should value it more than we have done in the past.


Crazy politicians here in Maryland and Electric Deregulation
Electricity costs are sky rocketing here in Maryland, and the politicians that passed the rules that removed regulation of electric rates are scrambling because it's an election year. Who but the politicians would think that the power companies would want to reduce prices?

So now the deferral period is over, and the power companies have done all of their buying and selling of assets so they can't be re-regulated. And what, let's see a raise of hand of those of you that believe the electric utility wants to sell power for less? I don't see any hands, come on, someone out there must think that competition of a heavily regulated industry will reduce costs? Nope prices at rising and the power companies jump on the excuse that oil prices are high, they need to charge more. How lucky for them that oil prices are high. But um, most of the electricity in Maryland is generate from coal, and we get billed a separate fuel surcharge to adjust for such fluctuations in the oil or coal market anyway.

So what do the politicians do with a rate increase pending of 80%? Do they admit the fault? Do they seek low cost long term contracts? No. Instead they come up with a financing plan that delays the increase, until when? After the election. And who is paying the financing fee? The state? Of course not. The utility customers will pay it. So besides being hit by an 80% increase in fees, they'll need to pay 4% interest on the first six months increase over several years. What an absolute mess.

So, if you were a politician in Maryland and you saw this mess would you consider sticking the electric utilities with additional costs to clean the air at this time? Raise you hands. I can't see you. Yes, we'd stick them hard and increase their costs because we know that will mean lower electricity costs. Right? I'm fairly environmental and wouldn't even consider that this year or next.

You have to love politics. :)
 
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OldBay!
I feel your pain on the electric rate hell you discussed and crummy elected officials passing the buck. Boy am I glad I don't live in Maryland.

Don't know what to make of the peak oil thing. First I've heard of it.
 
Oldbay!

Yeah, really makes you wonder who is charge. My husband told me this morning that BP has a worldwide reputation for cutting corners. Apparently they built a pipeline in Trinidad over coral reefs (how pathetic is that) and the abrasion to the pipes would cause leaks. Did they replace the pipe??? Heck, no, they just watch for oil on top of the water and then put a bandaid on the boo-boo. And I guess you heard about their plant explosion here in the Houston area-----yeah, they had been warned numerous times about the problems by their own people but didn't bother to address them. Hence, new widows and fatherless children.

Now, what really makes me mad is that last week our Sunday paper had an accounting sheet of what all these CEO's of oil companies made in bonuses, stock options, etc., recently due to the surge in oil revenues-------OMG it's unbelievable!!!!!! Those guys had little to do with their company's increased earnings-------it was market conditions. We need to get our priorities straight in certain areas. Ok, I'll step down now.
 
I fully agree that there is no way our fuel/energy costs are going to go down. Once they start making the profits they are making - they don't care. You would think that the price of gasoline would have some sort of effect on travel these days - but it has not done a thing. The only ones that are cutting back and going without are the ones on fixed incomes.

And if the cost drop a few pennies - some politician comes up with another TAX to increase the price once again - we can't win.

In NY our governor is getting a lot of grief over the toll roads that were only supposed to charge thruway tolls for 15 years to pay for the thruway being built. It's been about 40 years now. Well the tolls have done nothing but increase and we have a lawyer who is now taking on the state in a lawsuit to sue them for this. (Like he is going to win!!) So our lovely governor mentioned that the thruway should be free and that toll booths should really be put up on the interstate highways! I really don't think that if I am traveling on Route 5 or 20 I want to have to pay a toll to go from once town to another.


Let's face it - we can't do a thing about it. The "powers that be" are running everything and making money off us.

Here's a fact - just think about this - it's true - a customer goes into Mc Donald's, Burker King, etc. and orders a large fountain drink. What's the cost of that now - about $1.89 for a large one??? It is costing the fast-food restaurant (or any restaurant) about 5 cents to fill that cup. Well - it's the same thing with this oil/energy thing.

We are getting ripped off. Can't do a thing about it either.

Up here our cable bill has gone up 7 times in one year - no one is regulating it.

Banks are being "absorbed" left and right by other banks. Ditto with insurance companies. (DON'T GET ME STARTED ON INSURANCE COMPANIES!!)

Even major sneaker manufacturers are buying each other out.

Ditto telephone/cell phone/media companies.

What is biting my buns on this - NO ONE IS REGULATING THIS!

It's just a free-for-all among the rich and powerful who do nothing and make everything. Tell me - why should someone make hundreds of millions as a salary for a year and get all kinds of perks???

I have been saying this for years and I will tell you - if someone doesn't stop these companies from merging/consolidating the whole world will be owned by 12 people. One insurance company, one food store, one gas/energy company, one telephone company, etc. and we will have to pay through our noses for everything. We are getting there very fast.

Is there a politician anywhere - in any state - that will speak up and try to stop what is going on?? Were we actually that "spoiled" by not having to pay the high prices from the beginning??
 
Everyone is out for the buck, and it's us little guys they're after.

I was at the beach a couple weeks ago, and a local city (Berlin, MD) there has it's own power plant and has been made an offer by two power companies (the ones increasing the rates 80%) to buy it. So I'm thinking that's a municipal function, and how great it is for those that live there to be left out of the mess of deregulation (and could sell at a profit on the grid thus making it cheaper for the local citizens), and then I read that the town hired a consultant to appraise the plant.

I say, that appraisel will leave out the cost of siting a new powerplant, and all of the legal battles in courts to stop it. That's worth $1 Billion Dollars itself. But they're politicians, so they'll sell that asset that's really the property of the people of Berlin, MD for $10 million to finance some project that's not needed but will have their name on it like the Casper J Harkell Ampitheatre (name made up). I thought of writing a letter to the local paper, but I don't live there so it's their problem.

Mamma - you're right, gas prices ain't going down. They never do. I do think the peak oil thing is worth thinking about since it's bound to happen one day. I hope that day is in the 2040's and not the 2010's.
 
hey expatgirl!
Trinidad is warm! You get around the world. So are you guys working on new finds, finding oil in old fields, or just maintaining the fields? I read on the official Kazakh website that that oil is flowing to China now through a new pipeline, and to the Mediterranean Sea through another, and they have lots of oil. Maybe that will relieve some pressure from the world supply which we hear is caused by China.

That's awful that the oil companies like BP only patch leaks. So why don't they just do that in Alaska, or is it that they've done patched the patches and can't patch no more? They must be loaded with cash and ought be be able to buy some pipe. The Alaska thing smells of the Enron manipulation of power supplies in California in 1996. I was paying $0.05/kw and PG&E was paying $10.00/kw. And no one did a thing about it.
 
hey expatgirl!
Trinidad is warm! You get around the world. So are you guys working on new finds, finding oil in old fields, or just maintaining the fields? I read on the official Kazakh website that that oil is flowing to China now through a new pipeline, and to the Mediterranean Sea through another, and they have lots of oil. Maybe that will relieve some pressure from the world supply which we hear is caused by China.

That's awful that the oil companies like BP only patch leaks. So why don't they just do that in Alaska, or is it that they've done patched the patches and can't patch no more? They must be loaded with cash and ought be be able to buy some pipe. The Alaska thing smells of the Enron manipulation of power supplies in California in 1996. I was paying $0.05/kw and PG&E was paying $10.00/kw. And no one did a thing about it.

The company is working on new fields and negotiating with the government to fund and operate more---- and putting a lot back into the country itself. For example, we're helping to finanace a huge orphanage and giving scholarships to deserving graduates from the school. Also, we're funding a group that helps entrepreneurs get established in new businesses by providing a "business incubator" whereby they receive computer assistance, financial support, places to work, etc. I visited this place in Uralsk and it was AMAZING--it's estimated that this one project alone is benefitting over a thousand people who otherwise would live in poverty. This takes LOTS of $$$$$$$$$$.

I don't know about the Alaska thing but I saw on the news the other morning that the last time they inspected their pipes was in '99???????????? They have the means to inspect them (it's called a smart pig) but "99 was the last time they checked things out. The pig might be smart but BP sure insn't.

Don't get me going about energy bills. Our electric bills in Houston (land of a/c) jumped over $100 just like that because of rate increases. How people on fixed incomes manage is frightening.

Well, I gotta go-----my nephew is graduating from A&M today and it's a two hour drive. He's getting an economics degree---I'm going to bend his ear and see what he thinks about everything. Check with y'all later.
 
I came across this article yesterday linked to from an article just published in a New Mexico newspaper. It's from Feb 2005, and is probably what inspired Roscoe Barlett to talk about the issues of peak oil.

Robert Hirsch Report on Peak Oil PDF (1.2 MB)

My view is that the basic statement in the article is that the United States needs to begin a crash program of coal liquification now or there will be trouble in 20 years. That's because to make changes in fuel sources require 5 years or so in development, and another 10 years to build and begin distribution.
 
hi I like your post. but I'm really confused actually that you saying..

anyway it's nice..
 
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