Cathy my little Oster will let you set it on dough mode so you can take it out for the last rise and shape it as you wish. I think they all will. However mine sure doesn't have the paddle that folds but the hole in the bottom doesn't bother me much.

seems to me that most of the bread machines that I've seen are at garage sales. It seems like one of those kitchen appliances that get used a lot in the first six months and then after that...never.

I'm sure, but in my case when I haven't been able to have bread in 2 1/2 years because of an 800 mg or less low sodium diet it is different. The only bought bread within 100 miles of me that is low sodium enough is Don Ponchos white corn tortillas. If I could have gone to the grocers and got a loaf of normal white bread or French bread I would say; Why bother? Now I can make a 2 Lb loaf of French that only has 24 mg of sodium for the whole loaf. BTW the taste is the same with or without salt, it just won't last more then about 4 days in an airtight bag.