Easy to see, sir, that you're a "William of Many Trades" and Master of just about every one of them! We all get up pretty early around here, too, as my husband has to be at work at 7am and my unmarried son is off and running by 5am.......and everyone wants breakfast before they leave the house. My other two boys - the married ones - have their wives pretty well trained to be early to rise, as well - and then they all troop over to our house to catch that early breakfast! I must be doing something right, huh? I just wonder how they'll all survive when my husband and I leave to spend half of this month and all of August with my family in Cornwall? Will they genteely starve to death? Not bloody likely! At least Ian will cook for them if they're willing to be here for a 4am breakfast................................................